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    Why didn't God tell Adam and Eve about hell?

    Why didn't Jonah tell the people of Nineveh about it?

    Why did Peter never once mention hell in his sermon on the day of Pentecost?

    Why didn't Paul tell the idol worshipers in Athens about hell?

    Did Jesus ever say the word hell?

    If Jesus took our punishment and if that punishment is eternity in Hell,
    shouldn't He still be there?

Why did Jesus warn no one but the Jews about Hell?

    Do you "try" to love God because you feel  you have to?  Be honest...

    Are you afraid that someone you love  will go to hell?

    Would you like to know that no one will spend eternity in
    hell?



The Bible is where
we get our
traditional view of
hell.  

With some study
we  find that it's
original languages
shed quite a
different light on
punishment and it's
purpose.



    People from mainline denominations are coming to accept the fact that the
    salvation of all mankind can be Found in the scriptures.  Some are in the
    middle on this issue but are at least admitting that there is a great
    likelihood that it is true. One minister in particular has written a book about
    it but because he is known as a mainline denominational leader, he wrote
    the book under a pseudonym. It is  "The Evangelical Universalist" by
    Gregory Macdonald.   Other than the fact that it makes a lot more sense
    than believing God created most of humanity to burn in Hell, believing it can
    drastically affect how we relate to people.  Yes, I know the argument is that
    God created none to go to Hell, people go there of their own choice. I used
    to believe that too.  That would mean that God is totally out of control, that
    someone else is more powerful then He is.  If we are genuinely interested in
    finding out about what the Bible really says about Hell, we just have to set
    aside our present ideas and start to search. I know for me, I see God in a
    whole new light. I can see the heart of God.  See Him in the woman who lost
    her coin and swept her house until she found it. See Him as the good
    shepherd who goes to find the one sheep that is lost. Granted, He may have
    to break the little thing's leg to keep him in the fold, if he is a wayward
    sheep, but He will do that. Wayward or not, He belongs to the shepherd.
    See Him as the merchant man who found in us a pearl of great price and
    gave everything He had, including His life, to purchase it. We were made
    FOR Him. For His own sake, He blots out our iniquities. That should comfort
    your heart!

    It has been said that we become like the "God" we serve. If we see Him as
    cruel and demanding we have a good chance of turning out like that
    ourselves. On the other hand, if He is viewed as a loving Savior willing to
    give His life for every man and not only willing but able to see to it that they
    all end up in His good graces, it actually makes it possible for us to learn to
    love people like He loves them.  

    It's not about right rules and bylaws, right methods of baptism, right
    hairdos, right denominations, it's about love. It's about being conformed
    into the image of God's dear son. It's about change, and that is something
    we will all experience.  It's about forgiveness.  Feed my enemy, you say?  
    How can that ever happen unless the fire of God burns the selfishness out
    of us?  To use a well worn expression in the world of Christian Universalism  
    which is a little on the light hearted side but should cause us to think,
    I ask..Would God tell us to love our enemies when He plans to fry His?  



    Why I Believe No One Will Stay In Hell

    I am using the word "Hell" here strictly for the benefit of those of you who  believe it is
    a literal place of fire, pain, and torture.  When it comes right down to it, not only do I
    believe no one will stay in Hell, I believe no one will GO to  this Hell, because I don't
    believe "that" Hell exists, nor has it ever existed.



    God defines Himself as “Love”.
    God is sovereign. There is no greater power. He gets what He          
    wants.
    He created us to seek/find Him
    He instructs us to pray for ALL MEN.
    We were created FOR God's pleasure
    Man nor devil can overthrow His plan.  
    God planned the fall of man, in Adam. (Lamb was slain before foundation of  the
    world)   
    God created vessels of honor and dishonor(Judas, Pharaoh) for His
    plan.
    God created all of creation in corruption and futility.
    God created all of creation with the hope of being delivered from  it.
    Our view of Hell does not come from the Bible.
    None of the 4 words translated “hell” indicate endlessness.
    The Lake of fire appears to be God, Himself. (see interesting words)
    If punishment of unbelievers is endless, some scriptures must be
    ignored.
    God commands all men everywhere to repent.  
    Christ will reign until all are in submission to Him.
    Every knee will bow in worship and every tongue will confess Jesus
    as Lord
    Jesus is the only way to God. No man comes except through Him.
    No man comes to God unless He is drawn by God’s spirit.
    Jesus said, if He was crucified that He would “draw” all men to
    Himself.
    The Greek word for “draw” literally means drag.(check it out
    yourself)
    Jesus tasted death for every man.
    God has concluded all in unbelief that He may show mercy to all.
    God's punishments are corrective.



    This is an excerpt from Ryan Healy's "The Greatest Love Story
    Never Told"  Read whole article.

    At Ed's suggestion, I bought a book by A.E. Knoch called All in All. It was
    written nearly a hundred years ago.

    As I read the first page of the first chapter, I was hooked. It expressed a
    latent idea I had thought of before, but had never been able to Biblically
    support. Here is what Knoch says...

    The grand truth concerning the eonian times, now recovered from
    Scriptures, will relieve the minds of many noble men. So said a trained
    theologian, after having spent seventy years of his life without ever hearing
    it mentioned. No normal human being desires to believe in everlasting
    torment, even for his worst enemy. Some of its strongest and noblest
    advocates have expressed their profound sorrow that they were compelled
    to teach it, and declared that God Himself would have it otherwise, were it
    in His power. Those who gloat in it and enjoy preaching it, expose the
    baseness of their own hearts. The fact that the Bible teaches it may
    demand acquiescence, but it cannot command heartfelt accord.

    The fact that everlasting torment is contrary to God's revealed character
    and clashes with every human instinct does not disprove it. If God's Word
    teaches it, it's true. But the fact that it is repugnant, not merely to the
    nature we have by creation, but especially to the spirit we receive as a seal
    of God's salvation, should lead us to investigate the grounds on which it
    rests. The original Scriptures are infallible, but the Bible we have is only a
    translation, into which a measure of human fallibility is mixed. Does the
    Original teach endless punishment?

We believe what we believe about hell because of the way our Bibles read.

As traditional church goers, probably, very few  of us have  been encouraged to voice our fears and questions when

it c
omes to hell.  As much as I didn't understand the whole concept of hell, I felt I had no choice but to believe it
because of what the Bible says.

Well, in the last few years, I started to see some of the other things the Bible says. One of them is .."Come, let us
reason together..."  I knew that verse existed, I just never did what it said. I guess I didn't know I could "reason"
where Hell was concerned.

Why are we uncomfortable with reasoning when it comes to hell?  Perhaps we just feel inadequate to even
speculate.  Are we afraid that God will send us to hell if we question it?  

Jesus didn't say, "whosoever believeth
in hell shall have everlasting life." He said, "for God so loved the world, that
He sent His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth
in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

We are encouraged from the scriptures to search them, to rightly divide them, to study like the Bereans to see if
what we have been taught is true.  

God is the perfect father. He disciplines His children as any father would, but, His punishment is for our good, not for
our endless torture.  Who would benefit by eternal torment? Seriously...think about it...

For me, finding out that the doctrine of hell is not  as "set in stone" as I thought it was has been too good to be true,
but I believe it is.

Jesus said, "fear not" way too many times for us to be afraid to enjoy life to the fullest.  Enjoying life became an
impossiblity for me, believing so many people would burn in hell forever, especially, some of my family

"When a man who is honestly
mistaken hears the truth, he will
either quit being mistaken, or cease
to be  honest....
                                     
Think About it.....
So, you say you
believe sinners
will be cast into
hell forever?

How many
people have
you tried to
keep from
going
today?
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You know, if you really believe in an endless Hell,
you should have yourself sterilized so you won't
bring more humans into existence and risk their
going there forever.....

Read
this testimony of a man that did just that.

Personally, I think it's the only sensible thing to do.

 
            Debbie

A Few Last Minute Thoughts On Hell
The Bible is mostly written to God's People, not the heathen.   The Old Testament is a lot of history and prophecy and just
everyday common sense and wisdom that could benefit anyone, but if one is not concerned with God in some way, he
would probably not be interested in reading it. It is written by men, chosen of God, to give instruction, history, correction,
warning, and consolation,  to HIS people.  I really think the idea was/is for those people to take the message to the rest of
the world. And that, not so much in word only, but , to be done by exemplifying the true nature of Christ in us. What is that
nature? Doing what He did. Laying down our lives to reach people. Not too motivating is it? Unless you are one of God's
people, then it becomes your prayer to be empowered by the Holy Spirit to be able to do it.

Now, think about the New Testament. How do many of the books start? By addressing CHURCHES, right?  The Bible is a
collection of books about God to people who were chosen by God to be a special people to Himself, to people concerned
with or seeking God, and to those of us who are believers.

Jesus even said that He came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Yes, He came as the
savior of the whole world but
He also came as a teacher to His people. Savior to the whole world because He made the whole world. What was He to do
create millions of people, only to choose out a few for His elect, then wadd up the rest and toss 'em in the garbage can?
No, they are all valuable to Him. God so loved the WORLD.....

Many of the Hell scriptures are addressed to the people who were supposed to be God's chosen people, They were being
warned of the regret they would experience if they chose their own way over giving up their preconceived ideas of who
the Messiah was.  The message to them was "repent". Or, change your ideas about the Messiah and the kingdom
.
We know we are all born condemned because of John 3...But what does that mean? It seems we just naturally assume it
Means we go to Hell at death if we have not believed. But what if "condemned" simply means that, like Paul said in Roman
7, we have a sin making machine in us(my version) and sooner or later it is going to get us into loads of trouble. Perhaps
THAT is why we need saving. NOT saving from Hell.

Looking at the "Hell" words in the Bible, it seems that we are missing something. I guess it is just a human thing to bolster
what we already believe instead of seeing what the Bible really says. The Hell words in the OT are  Sheol and Tophet, or,  
the valley of Hinnom, Sheol is where everybody went when they died...good or bad. It is just the place of the dead, period. It
is called Sheol, the grave and the pit.  Tophet is the valley of  Israel's demise when they are totally defeated because of
their disobedience. In the New Testament it is translated Hell.   

Daniel 12:2 is the only other reference in the Old Testament that people interpret as a  "Hell" scripture. He only mentions
that some will be raised to shame and everlasting contempt....no mention of endless torture. And if Daniel is writing about
the people of God, then he is not writing about rank sinners..he is writing about the PEOPLE OF GOD, which also happen to
be the recipients of the Hell warnings  (ref: Gehenna NT,Tophet, valley of Hinnom in OT)  in the New Testament.

It seems logical to me that only those who were given the oracles of God would be the ones raised to everlasting shame
when they find out they were doing their own thing instead of God's thing, which is what they were supposed to do.(except
for the fact that some of them were blinded by God for a time, for a purpose)
(side note... Now, those of us who think we are pleasing God by tallying up all that we do for Him, may one day find that we
have been pleasing our own ego instead. That could have a good bit of shame with it...so, check your motives Christian.
Why do you do what you do? If we learn to judge ourselves, we won't be judged.
Will WE hear..depart, I never knew you?

I don't think the Hell Christianity knows about was ever God's Hell in the first place. And, I believe that  "Hell" is the "glitch"
in our theology I also believe the "Hell" that God did allow is for the purpose of correction.

What did  Jesus tell the
"children of Hell" in Matthew 23 ?  (Use reason...based on what He said, could Hell be endless?)


You won't see me again  UNTIL you say.."Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!"


Think about it:  Doesn't this mean the Pharisees changed their mind and their thinking?  Isn't that the definition of repentance?
Scared Of Hell ?
How many times have you looked at that little tract called "The Roman Road To Salvation"?  And read the
scripture that  it uses to convince sinners that they need saving?

We know it uses Romans 6:23 ,,
,For the wages of sin is eternity in Hell; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.  
Oops! I quoted it wrong didn't I?  It doesn't say the wages of
sin is Hell, it says death, just as plain as the nose on your
face.....

Go figure...I didn't see it myself until about 7 years ago.


"Abandoned Houses On The Roman Road"
(excellent short article)
Here are some quotes from people who believe in a literal,
burning Hell.  After  finding the real meaning of the "Hell
words", it is so hard to understand how one can be so hard
and calloused as the people who made these comments.

Click Here to Read the Comments.

You know, reading some of those comments, I get the
feeling that the "commenters" are coming up with the best
explanations they can to make some sense out of a
rediculously, unbelievable, situation.  

Think about it.....what kind of parent could look at their
child suffering horribly and not have one bit of
compassion?  I am so thankful that I was allowed to find
what the original languages of the Bible say about God's
judgment and the purpose for it.  It makes so much more
sense.....

God Is Reasonable!   Religion is not.
"BLESSED ARE THE
CRACKED,FOR THEY ARE THE
ONES WHO LET IN THE
LIGHT!"
                                                       
                        
  Maxine  :-)
You could be thinking that
one who believes all will
be saved does not fear the
judgments of God. Let me
tell you, that couldn't be
further from the truth.
Since I learned about
God's plan to redeem all of
His creation I have more
respect and actual fear of
His judgments that ever
before.

The idea of eternal torture
is so
unbelievable it
causes many to just blow
off the notion of  judgment
altogether if they consider
themselves a Christian.

God is still a God of
justice. But let me ask you
this question.

How just is it for God to
lose most of His
creation to the devil?

Give that question some
real thought..ok?
Listen to this awesome song about God's love
for His creation. Think of God as the love of  
your life. Your relationship with Him WILL start
to change.

How HE Loves Us
And these shall go away into everlasting
punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
    Matthew 25:46
This is the big Hell scripture of Christendom. Its amazing how simple it isn't!

Do you believe that we are saved by our works?

Let's see what this Hell passage really says.

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon
the throne of his glory:  32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one
from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  33And he shall set the sheep on his
right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the
kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:  35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me
meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:  36Naked, and ye clothed
me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or
thirsty, and gave thee drink?  38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed
thee?  39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto
one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.  41Then shall he say also unto them on
the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:  
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye
visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger,
or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?  45Then shall he answer them, saying,
Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Hum... We see what He didnt say.

He didn't say to those on His left...depart from me, ye cursed, nto everlasting fire, prepared for the devil
and his angels: For you never accepted Me as your savior....



Just something to think about.....
How Many People Have You warned about Hell today?
God Of The
Ages is a simple
to understand
site for believers
down South
where I live.
:)
Which is
easier?

Warning
someone to get
their flu shot OR
warning them
about going to
Hell?
Do you realize that
God, through Paul,
said He commands
ALL men
EVERYWHERE to
repent?
Love Me, OR,
I'll burn you in
Hell forever,

Is that the extent
of our
relationship with
God ?

Think about it
If  some are
damned forever in
Hell, how can all be
drawn to Christ?


If the lake of fire is
the 2nd death and
death is the last
enemy of God to
be destroyed,

How can it  be
endless?
Food For Thought.....
Read online:

"Is Hell
Eternal? Or,
Will God's Plan
Fail?"

Click Here
I found it is OK to
come out of the
box. When I got
out of one box, I
found I was in
another, then,
another, until I
finally realized
God owns all the
boxes!

         Many people know the Bible says death and Hell will be cast into the lake of  fire, so, probably, whatever we believe
    Hell to be, most believe it is the lake of fire, spoken of in Revelation.

    Because we see this as the grand finale of God's plan for the wicked and unbelievers, we don't think about it much.  We
    just accept it. Like it or not... Who can change it?  Who would argue with God about His plan?  But, what we may not
    think about is ..What if the lake of fire is not the grand finale?  Is that possible?

    Can we do that without questioning God?

    As our new President elect, says, "Yes We Can". One thing that may be helpful is to ask yourself..why fire?   Well, our
    God seems to be all about fire and that could be because He is an all consuming fire, Himself.  Also, keep in mind that it is
    not just the one's who are cast into the lake of fire that experience the fire of God.   

    Moses saw God as a bush on fire. Fire protected and guided God's people through the wilderness and at the same time
    held back their enemies. Fire baptized the early believers when they were filled with the Holy Ghost and Fire. We are
    told to think it not strange concerning the "fiery trials" that will try us.  God must think fire is important huh?

    As believers, we experience God's fire every time we are convicted of sin in our lives.   Think about the lake of fire with
    these things in mind. Here is an excerpt from a book I want to show you. It explains it pretty well, in my opinion....

















                            “Salted With Fire – A Gift for the Body of Christ”

                                                                          Author....John Van Tuyl

    To order the book go to http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bookdisplay.asp?bookid=45166

    It is also available online at Barnes and Nobles, Amazon, and Borders.
The Lake The Burns With
Fire And Brimstone
"I have come to see that the reason the Lake of Fire has no effect
upon the overcomers is because these individuals have become
completely one with Holy Fire. Fire has no discernible effect on
fire. One flame simply commingles with the other. The select body
of people that are referred to as the overcomers is actually the
very same substance that constitutes the body of this lake---just as
it is common for us to refer to the greater body of people in the
world as “the sea of humanity”.
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to ask questions, discuss, or comment, it is
fine to post on this blog....

Debbie